Outside of fantasy, I don’t typically read a lot of romance books. However, when I do, I tend to gravitate toward STEMinist romance books. STEM is an acronym for science, technology, engineering, and mathematics. STEMinist combines STEM with the concept of feminism. In other words, a STEMinist is someone who supports gender equity in STEM, which are fields typically dominated by men.
Lately, author Ali Hazelwood has put STEMinist romance books on the map. She probably isn’t the first author to publish these types of books, but her recent works certainly increased their popularity. So, in the spirit of STEMinism, here’s a list of STEMinist romance books to dig in to. This list focuses on STEMinist romance books where the women are in the STEM field. The last category of STEMinist-adjacent books includes romances that contain STEM elements. However, either the female main character does not have a STEM job or the topic is tangential to STEM (e.g., gaming). Let me know some of your favorites in the comments!
Science
All Fired Up by M.K. England
Series: None
Age Category: Adult
Publisher: Canary Street Press
Publish Date: April 29, 2025
Print Length: 304
Purchase: Bookshop.org
Status: Unread.
Synopsis
A fire-starting scientist and a bi firefighter team up to save their best friend from an epic mistake in this celebration of queer joy and rom-com shenanigans, perfect for fans of Casey McQuiston and Ashley Herring Blake.
Nicole Wells left Seattle two years ago for a master’s in fire dynamics and some much-needed space. Now she’s back, ready to hit reset on her life…and take one last chance on best friend/unrequited love Skylar Clark. But Nic’s plans crumble when Skylar announces she’s quitting her job and moving to Fiji for secret reasons–another typical Skylar disaster in the making. It’s a giant red flag, and Nic feels like she’s the only one who sees it… Until she meets Kira.
Kira McKinney stepped in as Skylar’s safety net friend while Nic was away. She’s got plenty of her own problems–can’t get promoted, cancels all her dates, her fire chief father’s legacy–but when Skylar makes her announcement, Kira knows she’s needed again. Fortunately, Kira finds an ally in Nic, and when talking to Skylar doesn’t work, there’s only one option left: shenanigans.
But as all their efforts go up in smoke, one thing becomes wildly clear. The situation between Nic and Kira is heating up…but they’ll have to let go of the past first if they don’t want to get burned.
A Lady’s Formula for Love by Elizabeth Everett
Series: The Secret Scientists of London, #1
Age Category: Adult
Publisher: Berkley Books
Publish Date: February 09, 2021
Print Length: 336
Purchase: Bookshop.org
Status: Unread.
Synopsis
What is a Victorian lady’s formula for love? Mix one brilliant noblewoman and her enigmatic protection officer. Add in a measure of danger and attraction. Heat over the warmth of humor and friendship, and the result is more than simple chemistry–it’s elemental
.Lady Violet is keeping secrets. First, she founded a clandestine sanctuary for England’s most brilliant female scientists. Second, she is using her genius on a confidential mission for the Crown. But the biggest secret of all? Her feelings for protection officer Arthur Kneland.
Solitary and reserved, Arthur learned the hard way to put duty first. But the more time he spends in the company of Violet and the eccentric club members, the more his best intentions go up in flames. Literally.
When a shadowy threat infiltrates Violet’s laboratories, endangering her life and her work, scientist and bodyguard will find all their theories put to the test–and learn that the most important discoveries are those of the heart.
The Love Hypothesis by Ali Hazelwood
Series: None
Age Category: New Adult/Adult
Publisher: Berkley Books
Publish Date: September 14, 2021
Print Length: 400
Purchase: Bookshop.org
Status: Read and reviewed.
Synopsis
When a fake relationship between scientists meets the irresistible force of attraction, it throws one woman’s carefully calculated theories on love into chaos.
As a third-year Ph.D. candidate, Olive Smith doesn’t believe in lasting romantic relationships–but her best friend does, and that’s what got her into this situation. Convincing Anh that Olive is dating and well on her way to a happily ever after was always going to take more than hand-wavy Jedi mind tricks: Scientists require proof. So, like any self-respecting biologist, Olive panics and kisses the first man she sees.
That man is none other than Adam Carlsen, a young hotshot professor–and well-known ass. Which is why Olive is positively floored when Stanford’s reigning lab tyrant agrees to keep her charade a secret and be her fake boyfriend. But when a big science conference goes haywire, putting Olive’s career on the Bunsen burner, Adam surprises her again with his unyielding support and even more unyielding…six-pack abs.
Suddenly their little experiment feels dangerously close to combustion. And Olive discovers that the only thing more complicated than a hypothesis on love is putting her own heart under the microscope.
Love, Theoretically by Ali Hazelwood
Series: None
Age Category: Adult
Publisher: Berkley Books
Publish Date: June 13, 2023
Print Length: 400
Purchase: Bookshop.org
Status: Read and did not review.
Synopsis
Rival physicists collide in a vortex of academic feuds and fake dating shenanigans in this delightfully STEMinist romcom from the New York Times bestselling author of The Love Hypothesis and Love on the Brain.
The many lives of theoretical physicist Elsie Hannaway have finally caught up with her. By day, she’s an adjunct professor, toiling away at grading labs and teaching thermodynamics in the hopes of landing tenure. By other day, Elsie makes up for her non-existent paycheck by offering her services as a fake girlfriend, tapping into her expertly honed people-pleasing skills to embody whichever version of herself the client needs.
Honestly, it’s a pretty sweet gig–until her carefully constructed Elsie-verse comes crashing down. Because Jack Smith, the annoyingly attractive and arrogant older brother of her favorite client, turns out to be the cold-hearted experimental physicist who ruined her mentor’s career and undermined the reputation of theorists everywhere. And he’s the same Jack Smith who rules over the physics department at MIT, standing right between Elsie and her dream job.
Elsie is prepared for an all-out war of scholarly sabotage but…those long, penetrating looks? Not having to be anything other than her true self when she’s with him? Will falling into an experimentalist’s orbit finally tempt her to put her most guarded theories on love into practice?
Give Me Butterflies by Jillian Meadows
Series: None
Age Category: Adult
Publisher: Avon Books
Publish Date: January 21, 2025
Print Length: 384
Purchase: Bookshop.org
Status: Read and reviewed.
Synopsis
A swoony, steamy, STEM romance in which two curators at a science museum–a handsome but grumpy astronomer and an anxious but sunshine-y entomologist–realize they are the perfect match. Now with exclusive bonus content!
Millie has never taken the expected path. Her childhood love for bugs and science led her to entomology, and her role as a curator, inspiring museum visitors every day. It’s her dream to run her own department–so when a rare director position opens, she is determined nothing will distract her from her goal. Especially not Finn, her grumpy coworker with his permanent scowl, electric blue eyes, and endless supply of astronomy ties.
. . . Not that she’s spent time noticing any of those things.
Finn doesn’t mean to glare at everyone, but he’s juggling his role at the museum, navigating the grief of losing his sister, attempting to make his nieces smile, and trying not to ruin dinner for the fifth night in a row. He can’t afford to let anything slip, and certainly doesn’t need more to deal with–especially not Millie literally stumbling into him, with her bright smile and sunny optimism.
He bugs her. She’s too starry-eyed for him. They want nothing to do with each other. But with Finn on the interview committee, avoidance is impossible. And Millie soon realizes it’s one thing when a job is on the line. It’s quite another when it’s her heart.
Technology
Not In Love by Ali Hazelwood
Series: None
Age Category: Adult
Publisher: Penguin Publishing Group
Publish Date: June 11, 2024
Print Length: 400
Purchase: Bookshop.org
Status: Read and review to come.
Engineering
A Love By Design by Elizabeth Everett
Series: The Secret Scientists of London, #3
Age Category: Adult
Publisher: Berkley Books
Publish Date: January 17, 2023
Print Length: 352
Purchase: Bookshop.org
Status: Unread.
Synopsis
You couldn’t design a better hero than the very eligible and extremely charming Earl Grantham. Unless, of course, you are Margaret Gault, who wants nothing to do with the man who broke her youthful heart.
Widowed and determined, Margaret Gault has returned to Athena’s Retreat and the welcoming arms of her fellow secret scientists with an ambitious plan in mind: to establish England’s first woman-owned engineering firm. But from the moment she sets foot in London her plans are threatened by greedy investors and–at literally every turn–the irritatingly attractive Earl Grantham, a man she can never forgive.
George Willis, the Earl Grantham, is thrilled that the woman he has loved since childhood has returned to London. Not as thrilling, however, is her decision to undertake an engineering commission from his political archnemesis. When Margaret’s future and Grantham’s parliamentary reforms come into conflict, Grantham must use every ounce of charm he possesses–along with his stunning good looks and flawless physique, of course–to win Margaret over to his cause.
Facing obstacles seemingly too large to dismantle, will Grantham and Margaret remain forever disconnected or can they find a way to bridge their differences, rekindle the passion of their youth, and construct a love built to last?
My Mechanical Romance by Alexene Follmuth
Series: None
Age Category: Young Adult
Publisher: Holiday House
Publish Date: May 31, 2022
Print Length: 272
Purchase: Bookshop.org
Status: Unread.
Synopsis
Opposites attract in this nerdy YA romance from the NYT best-selling author of The Atlas Six!
Bel doesn’t want to think about the future. College apps? You’re funny. Extracurriculars? Not a chance. Joining a robotics club filled with boys who ignore her or–even worse–constantly ask if she needs help? Please, anything but that. But when she accidentally reveals a talent for engineering in class, she has no choice. Enter Mateo Luna, the handsome captain of the club.
Teo instantly recognizes Bel’s talent. He needs her on the team. And not just because he can’t stop thinking about the tiny dusting of freckles around her eyes, or how she got him hooked on Taylor Swift–it’s because Bel sees him. She challenges him. But when they seriously start butting heads, Bel wonders: Is there really room for a girl like her in STEM?
In her YA debut, Alexene Farol Follmuth, author of The Atlas Six (under the penname Olivie Blake), explores both the challenges girls of color face in STEM and the vulnerability of first love with unfailing wit and honesty. Told from dual points of view, My Mechanical Romance is not only swoonworthy–it’s downright empowering.
Love On the Brain by Ali Hazelwood
Series: None
Age Category: New Adult/Adult
Publisher: Berkley Books
Publish Date: August 23, 2022
Print Length: 368
Purchase: Bookshop.org
Status: Read and reviewed.
Synopsis
From the New York Times bestselling author of The Love Hypothesis comes a new STEMinist rom-com in which a scientist is forced to work on a project with her nemesis–with explosive results.
Like an avenging, purple-haired Jedi bringing balance to the mansplained universe, Bee Königswasser lives by a simple code: What would Marie Curie do? If NASA offered her the lead on a neuroengineering project–a literal dream come true after years scraping by on the crumbs of academia–Marie would accept without hesitation. Duh. But the mother of modern physics never had to co-lead with Levi Ward.
Sure, Levi is attractive in a tall, dark, and piercing-eyes kind of way. And sure, he caught her in his powerfully corded arms like a romance novel hero when she accidentally damseled in distress on her first day in the lab. But Levi made his feelings toward Bee very clear in grad school–archenemies work best employed in their own galaxies far, far away.
Now, her equipment is missing, the staff is ignoring her, and Bee finds her floundering career in somewhat of a pickle. Perhaps it’s her occipital cortex playing tricks on her, but Bee could swear she can see Levi softening into an ally, backing her plays, seconding her ideas…devouring her with those eyes. And the possibilities have all her neurons firing. But when it comes time to actually make a move and put her heart on the line, there’s only one question that matters: What will Bee Königswasser do?
Loathe to Love You by Ali Hazelwood
Series: None
Age Category: Adult
Publisher: Berkley Books
Publish Date: January 3, 2023
Print Length: 368
Purchase: Bookshop.org
Status: Read 2 of 3 novellas, did not review.
Synopsis
An Instant New York Times Bestseller!
From the New York Times bestselling author of The Love Hypothesis comes a collection of steamy, STEMinist novellas featuring a trio of engineers and their loves in loathing–with a special bonus chapter!
Under One Roof
An environmental engineer discovers that scientists should never cohabitate when she finds herself stuck with the roommate from hell–a detestable big-oil lawyer who won’t leave the thermostat alone.
Stuck with You
A civil engineer and her nemesis take their rivalry–and love–to the next level when they get stuck in a New York elevator.
Below Zero
A NASA aerospace engineer’s frozen heart melts as she lies injured and stranded at a remote Arctic research station and the only person willing to undertake the dangerous rescue mission is her longtime rival.
Mathematics
A Perfect Equation by Elizabeth Everett
Series: The Secret Scientists of London, #2
Age Category: Adult
Publisher: Berkley Books
Publish Date: February 15, 2022
Print Length: 336
Purchase: Bookshop.org
Status: Unread.
Synopsis
How do you solve the Perfect Equation? Add one sharp-tongued mathematician to an aloof, handsome nobleman. Divide by conflicting loyalties and multiply by a daring group of women hell-bent on conducting their scientific experiments.
The solution is a romance that will break every rule.
Six years ago, Miss Letitia Fenley made a mistake, and she’s lived with the consequences ever since. Readying herself to compete for the prestigious Rosewood Prize for Mathematics, she is suddenly asked to take on another responsibility–managing Athena’s Retreat, a secret haven for England’s women scientists. Having spent the last six years on her own, Letty doesn’t want the offers of friendship from other club members and certainly doesn’t need any help from the insufferably attractive Lord Greycliff.
Lord William Hughes, the Viscount Greycliff cannot afford to make any mistakes. His lifelong dream of becoming the director of a powerful clandestine agency is within his grasp. Tasked with helping Letty safeguard Athena’s Retreat, Grey is positive that he can control the antics of the various scientists as well as manage the tiny mathematician–despite their historic animosity and simmering tension.
As Grey and Letty are forced to work together, their mutual dislike turns to admiration and eventually to something…magnetic. When faced with the possibility that Athena’s Retreat will close forever, they must make a choice. Will Grey turn down a chance to change history, or can Letty get to the root of the problem and prove that love is the ultimate answer?
The Kiss Quotient by Helen Hoang
Series: The Kiss Quotient, #1
Age Category: Adult
Publisher: Berkley Books
Publish Date: June 05, 2018
Print Length: 352
Purchase: Bookshop.org
Status: Unread.
Synopsis
A heartwarming and refreshing debut novel that proves one thing: there’s not enough data in the world to predict what will make your heart tick.
Stella Lane thinks math is the only thing that unites the universe. She comes up with algorithms to predict customer purchases–a job that has given her more money than she knows what to do with, and way less experience in the dating department than the average thirty-year-old.
It doesn’t help that Stella has Asperger’s and French kissing reminds her of a shark getting its teeth cleaned by pilot fish. Her conclusion: she needs lots of practice–with a professional. Which is why she hires escort Michael Phan. The Vietnamese and Swedish stunner can’t afford to turn down Stella’s offer, and agrees to help her check off all the boxes on her lesson plan–from foreplay to more-than-missionary position…Before long, Stella not only learns to appreciate his kisses, but crave all of the other things he’s making her feel. Their no-nonsense partnership starts making a strange kind of sense. And the pattern that emerges will convince Stella that love is the best kind of logic…
The Soulmate Equation by Christina Lauren
Series: None
Age Category: Adult
Publisher: Gallery Books
Publish Date: February 08, 2022
Print Length: 422
Purchase: Bookshop.org
Status: Unread.
STEMinist-Adjacent Romance Books
As I mentioned earlier, these are not exactly STEMinist romance books. However, they are STEMinist-adjacent. By that I meant that the female main character doesn’t have the STEM job or the topic of the book may be traditionally considered nerdy or geeky, such as gaming.
The Love Simulation by Etta Easton
Series: None
Age Category: Adult
Publisher: Berkley Books
Publish Date: March 4, 2025
Print Length: 320
Purchase: Bookshop.org
Status: Unread.
Synopsis
A passionate vice principal and a guarded science teacher compete for a grand prize, only to realize their budding relationship might be the real jackpot.
Brianna Rogers has been told a time (or six) she needs to stop jumping into things head first. But when the principal rescinds his approval for a library upgrade, deciding to spend the money on a football field instead, she sees red. Literally. Brianna throws her hat in the ring and joins a team of teachers who will spend their summer in a Mars simulation. As the sister of an astronaut, this should be easy, right? What she didn’t count on was the last-minute addition to the team–Roman Major: science teacher, son of the principal, and too handsome for his own good.
Roman and Brianna have been hot and cold all year, and living in close quarters intensifies their animosity and attraction. Brianna is sure he’s been sent by his father to sabotage them, foiling their chance at prize money that will cover all of the school’s actual needs. But each day, Roman proves himself to be a dedicated teammate–and Brianna finds herself falling harder and harder. While it’s clear the feeling is mutual, she can’t shake the sense that he’s hiding something. As the simulation nears its end, Brianna realizes she may have to make an impossible choice, between the school she’s dedicated herself to, and the man who has won his way into her heart.
Check & Mate by Ali Hazelwood
Series: None
Age Category: Young Adult
Publisher: G.P. Putnam’s Sons Books for Young Readers
Publish Date: November 07, 2023
Print Length: 368
Purchase: Bookshop.org
Status: Read and reviewed.
Synopsis
In this clever and swoonworthy YA debut from the New York Times bestselling author of The Love Hypothesis, life’s moving pieces bring rival chess players together in a match for the heart.
Mallory Greenleaf is done with chess. Every move counts nowadays; after the sport led to the destruction of her family four years earlier, Mallory’s focus is on her mom, her sisters, and the dead-end job that keeps the lights on. That is, until she begrudgingly agrees to play in one last charity tournament and inadvertently wipes the board with notorious “Kingkiller” Nolan Sawyer: current world champion and reigning Bad Boy of chess.
Nolan’s loss to an unknown rook-ie shocks everyone. What’s even more confusing? His desire to cross pawns again. What kind of gambit is Nolan playing? The smart move would be to walk away. Resign. Game over. But Mallory’s victory opens the door to sorely needed cash-prizes and despite everything, she can’t help feeling drawn to the enigmatic strategist….
As she rockets up the ranks, Mallory struggles to keep her family safely separated from the game that wrecked it in the first place. And as her love for the sport she so desperately wanted to hate begins to rekindle, Mallory quickly realizes that the games aren’t only on the board, the spotlight is brighter than she imagined, and the competition can be fierce (-ly attractive. And intelligent…and infuriating…)
A Cosmic Kind of Love by Samantha Young
Series: None
Age Category: Adult
Publisher: Berkley Books
Publish Date: October 18, 2022
Print Length: 416
Purchase: Bookshop.org
Status: Unread.
Synopsis
Space is the last thing an event planner and an astronaut need in this charming new romantic comedy from New York Times bestselling author Samantha Young.
When event planner Hallie Goodman receives party-inspiration material from the bride of her latest wedding project, the last thing she expects to find is a collection of digital videos from Darcy’s ex-boyfriend. Hallie knows it’s wrong to keep watching these personal videos, but this guy is cute, funny, and an astronaut on the International Space Station to boot. She’s only human. And it’s not long until she starts sending e-mails and video diaries to his discontinued NASA address. Since they’re bouncing back, there’s no way anyone will ever be able to see them…right?
Christopher Ortiz is readjusting to life on earth and being constantly in the shadow of his deceased older brother. When a friend from NASA’s IT department forwards him the e-mails and video messages Hallie has sent, he can’t help but notice how much her sense of humor and pink hair make his heart race.
Separated by screens, Hallie and Chris are falling in love with each other, one transmission at a time. But can they make their star-crossed romance work when they each learn the other’s baggage?
Dungeons and Drama by Kristy Boyce
Series: None
Age Category: Young Adult
Publisher: Random House Children’s Books
Publish Date: January 9, 2024
Print Length: 304
Purchase: Bookshop.org
Status: Read and reviewed.
Synopsis
When it comes to romance, sometimes it doesn’t hurt to play games. A fun YA romcom full of fake dating hijinks!
Musical lover Riley has big aspirations to become a director on Broadway. Crucial to this plan is to bring back her high school’s spring musical, but when Riley takes her mom’s car without permission, she’s grounded and stuck with the worst punishment: spending her after-school hours working at her dad’s game shop.
Riley can’t waste her time working when she has a musical to save, so she convinces Nathan–a nerdy teen employee–to cover her shifts and, in exchange, she’ll flirt with him to make his gamer-girl crush jealous.
But Riley didn’t realize that meant joining Nathan’s Dungeons & Dragons game…or that role playing would be so fun. Soon, Riley starts to think that flirting with Nathan doesn’t require as much acting as she would’ve thought…
Dating and Dragons by Kristy Boyce
Series: None
Age Category: Young Adult
Publisher: Delacorte Romance
Publish Date: December 31, 2024
Print Length: 336
Purchase: Bookshop.org
Status: Read and reviewed.
Synopsis
From the author of the nationally bestselling Dungeons and Drama comes another gaming romance that’s sure to win you over!
Quinn Norton is starting over at a new high school and hopes that joining a D&D game will be the trick to making friends. The plan sounds even better when she’s invited into a group that includes Logan Weber, the cute and charming guy she met on her first day of class. But this isn’t your average D&D campaign– this group livestreams their games and enforces strict rules: no phones allowed, and no dating other group members.
Quinn is willing to accept the rules, even if it makes Logan off-limits. And she quickly learns that doing so won’t be a problem, since Logan goes from charismatic to insufferable as soon as she agrees to join. As their bickering–and bantering–intensifies inside and outside the game, Quinn can’t help wondering: Is Logan’s infuriating behavior a smokescreen for hidden feelings? Quinn is risking it all, and the twenty-sided dice are rolling!
And that’s a wrap (so far) on my list of STEMinist romance books. I’m sure I missed plenty of others out there. So if there’s a STEMinist romance book you particularly enjoyed, let me know in the comments!
Great recommendations, I’m a big fan of Ali Hazelwood
Thank you! I’ve almost finished reading everything Hazelwood has written. I’ve got one novella left, BRIDE, and, well, now her sports romance!
What a fun list! I didn’t realize there were so many authors writing STEMnist books. I haven’t read any of these but I am eyeing the Christina Lauren book, which I’ve seen some good reviews for.
Thanks! I’d seen Christina Lauren’s books around, but haven’t chased them down yet.
I love this list so much! I didn’t know there were so many STEMinist romances and now I need to read them all
Thank you! I was hoping there were more out there in addition to Hazelwood’s books…happy to see there are indeed!
Love this!! Added a few to my TBR, the Secret Scientists of London series looks awesome 😀
Wonderful! Happy to add to your TBR!
I love this theme! I love books where women are in the STEM field too but lately I’ve been finding ones where women work on dead bodies (in a fantasy world, but still). I really loved The Manners & Monsters book series because it fits into that as well as the Wayward Children books that feature Jack & Jill. Hoping to find more like that and I added A Lady’s Formula for Love to my TBR! & I really want to read the Kristy Boyce books too!
I’d love for there to be more STEM books! For the work on dead bodies, do you mean the Megan Bannen books?
I have not read the Megan Bannen books but I really want to. I meant The Manners and Monsters books by Tilly Wallace. & some of the Wayward Children ones. And there’s also Anatomy: A Love Story that I want to read! I’m sure there’s more that I’d love to find that fit into this and also in STEM in general that I’ve yet to explore. I hope you get to find more 🧡
This is a very dangerous list for my TBR, thanks for putting it together!
Hehe my pleasure!
My Mechanical Romance and Dungeouns and Drama are on my TBR! I’ll have to check out all the other books as well, because you can never have enough of STEM romances 😂
You’re absolutely right that you can never have enough of STEM romances! 😀
Great list! Several of my favorite reads (Love Hypothesis, Dungeons & Drama) are on here!
Thank you! I really hope to read more from Kristy Boyce…the D&D ones were great!
This is an awesome topic and list and it’s something I’ve been toying with as a discussion topic for March (relating to International Women’s Day)! I have so many of these still to read, especially all the Hazelwood books since I’ve only read Love Hypothesis so far. But I’m looking forward to giving them a try! I also read Etta Easton’s debut romance last year and really enjoyed it. One of my favourite STEM adjacent romances is Role Playing by Cathy Yardley (which you might’ve heard me mention a million times on my blog cos I can’t shut up about it, lol). Great post!
Thank you! Glad you liked Etta Easton’s romance debut…I’m definitely curious about the upcoming one I listed here in this post. Yes, I’ve heard of ROLE PLAYING! I actually have it on my Kindle but haven’t gotten around to it yet. I saw a lot of positive commentary about it when it made its rounds on bookstagram.
I’ve never tried a STEM romance but then I’m not great at picking up romances in general. The Helen Hoang series is on my priority TBR though and I’ve just added the first Secret Scientist book and A Cosmic Kind Of Love to my general one.
I also knew Ali Hazlewood had a few books but that many 😲 is there any you’d particularly recommend trying first by her as I truly don’t know where to begin 😂 she’s so popular that adding something by her to my priority list seems wise though.
I love STEM topics in books of all genres. I am starting to find Ali Hazelwood a bit samey so I need to check out some others.